Wilderness Systems...

MarkCM28 · Post by **MarkCM28** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:10 pm

...did they forget to renew their lease?

greyloon · Post by **greyloon** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:15 pm

?????????????

Roofish · Post by **Roofish** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:16 pm

What do you mean?

MarkCM28 · Post by **MarkCM28** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:17 pm

The freshwater board is no longer "presented" by them.

QuakKillz · Post by **QuakKillz** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:20 pm

just noticed that myself......

greyloon · Post by **greyloon** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:20 pm

Times change, advertisers change. This was never the best bang for the buck on TKF for WS...until recently, the freshwater forum was the poor red-headed step-child of TKF.

MarkCM28 · Post by **MarkCM28** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:07 pm

Wonder what the going rate is???

Barnacle Bill · Post by **Barnacle Bill** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:08 pm

Maybe it ran out and they didn't renew or maybe Tom has someone else who is considering sponsoring it. The freshwater forum gets a good amount of traffic and it would be a great place for a sponsor such as an inland kayak shop say in Austin or DFW or San Antonio..

Barnacle Bill · Post by **Barnacle Bill** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:10 pm

MarkCM28 wrote:Wonder what the going rate is???

PM Tom. I know what the rates used to be but I don't know what they are these days. It's always been pretty reasonable though.

greyloon · Post by **greyloon** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:15 pm

Barnacle Bill wrote:Maybe it ran out and they didn't renew or maybe Tom has someone else who is considering sponsoring it. The freshwater forum gets a good amount of traffic and it would be a great place for a sponsor such as an inland kayak shop say in Austin or DFW or San Antonio..

Up until this year, it often was a dead zone in here. Times are changing though, and for the better as far as the numbers.

Barnacle Bill · Post by **Barnacle Bill** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:29 pm

greyloon wrote:
Barnacle Bill wrote:Maybe it ran out and they didn't renew or maybe Tom has someone else who is considering sponsoring it. The freshwater forum gets a good amount of traffic and it would be a great place for a sponsor such as an inland kayak shop say in Austin or DFW or San Antonio..
Up until this year, it often was a dead zone in here. Times are changing though, and for the better as far as the numbers.

Exactly. I'm sure Tom has something planned. There are kayak shops popping up like crazy. Someone is sure to jump on sponsoring this forum if they haven't already.

Patt · Post by **Patt** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:48 am

If WS gives as much attention to invoices as they do to customer service, they're probably 18 months in arrears and TKF had to pull the plug.

I called with a question shortly after a bought my Ride. Got the traditional, "Press 1 if you'd like to speak with . . . " so I pressed the key for "Customer Service." I immediately got a recording of two stoners discussing, I don't know, something or another, but not kayaks. It sounded like a Cheech and Chong parody with Car'lina accents. Twenty-two minutes and seventeen seconds later (yes, I timed it), I hung up. Never even got the obligatory "You call is important to us . . . " message.

WS makes good boats. They'd make more friends with a "You bought the yak; you bought the problem. 'Bye, ya'll." courtesy recording. I won't miss their banner here.

Patt

greyloon · Post by **greyloon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:04 am

Confluence, WS's parent company has had its share of problems absorbing the other companies they bought, but one would have thought that those matters had been sorted out. Customer service was one of the biggest complaints about Wildie.

Barnacle Bill · Post by **Barnacle Bill** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am

They had the world by the balls when Scott was a rep and Joel was around.... At one time in 03 or 04, out every 4 kayaks sold in the U.S.A, one was a Wildy Systems. I think Scott sold 700 or so at the Houston Boat Show a few years ago when he was the rep.

Now they're just letting everyone down. It's unfortunate.