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By ben_beyer
#2280317
Of the fly lines currently available on the market, what would you recommend for an intermediate fly caster?

I'm interested in getting one of these but a little worried about what would be a good line to use.

I've looked at the tapers posted earlier and the Rio Outbound Short seems to be close for something with a welded loop on the front.
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By Ron Mc
#2280318
Rio Outbound Short F looks good,
One that looks even better to me for its shorter front taper is Cortland Saltwater Guide.
200gr Teeny loaded it perfectly, which matches the gr-weight of Cortland Saltwater Guide in 7-wt.

other favorite lines reported on FFR: Rio Mainstream Saltwater, 8- and 9-wt bass tapers
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By ben_beyer
#2280326
Ron Mc wrote:Rio Outbound Short F looks good,
One that looks even better to me for its shorter front taper is Cortland Saltwater Guide.

another favorite lines reported on FFR: Rio Mainstream Saltwater


Thanks for the guidance!
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By Ron Mc
#2280783
ok, I found the Perfect line for the CGR 7/8 - at least for the shotgun presentation - Cortland Liquid Crystal Saltwater Guide Taper in WF7F.
The front taper is 3' long, it fires out like a cannon. 200gr belly.
I tried my test, rod staged with a foot of front taper out of the tip, 50" furled leader, and tippet to wrap around the reel foot and back to the hook keeper.
The 35' to end of back taper is out on the 2nd stroke, and the 3rd stroke will shoot to 70'.

The reason it works so well is that 2nd stroke loads exactly the way most WF8F lines will.
And it shoots so well and forgiving because the 200gr belly doesn't overload the rod like the 220-250 grains of an 8- or 9-wt belly. (Airflo tropical punch is 300gr for a 40' 8-wt belly)
This line loads the rod just right, and the rod is more forgiving with this line than any of the other lines I tried.
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By ben_beyer
#2280785
Good info!

I was at the Cabelas in Ft. Worth last week and almost bought one of these but they also had the St. Croix Mojo Bass Fly rod.

I still plan on getting one but not sure when I will pull the trigger. Could be tomorrow though...
By ben_beyer
#2281096
Pulled the trigger on one of these rods. I don't know when I'll be able to try it out, but at least I'll have one. I've been doing some research on fly fishing the Colorado from a Yak and my in-laws live not-too far and closer than I do to the river.

There's the information on lines that work with the rod and I do appreciate that information so I just need to decide on a reel. I might give a Piscifun a try.

Might be something to do this spring and use some Paid Time Off.
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By NativeSon
#2281218
Ron,
You obviously seem to like the Teeny TS sink lines.
Back when I started fly fishing, and my casting was even more primitive than now, I bought a SA full sink line because I was led to believe I needed it for the inshore salt. Trying to pull that bad boy up for a backcast at the time was a pain, and it has been sitting in box gathering dust ever since.
Dumb question, is there a appropriate technique for pulling these lines up from the water for a back cast?
Which Teeny TS would be best for 8 WTs fishing the coast?
All I have ever used are floating lines, and they are a breeze. Although I have picked up a sink tip line or two, those are also unused. There are times that such lines would probably be useful.
Much appreciated.
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By Ron Mc
#2281222
NativeSon wrote:Ron,
You obviously seem to like the Teeny TS sink lines.
Back when I started fly fishing, and my casting was even more primitive than now, I bought a SA full sink line because I was led to believe I needed it for the inshore salt. Trying to pull that bad boy up for a backcast at the time was a pain, and it has been sitting in box gathering dust ever since.
Dumb question, is there a appropriate technique for pulling these lines up from the water for a back cast?
Which Teeny TS would be best for 8 WTs fishing the coast?
All I have ever used are floating lines, and they are a breeze. Although I have picked up a sink tip line or two, those are also unused. There are times that such lines would probably be useful.
Much appreciated.

doing it right will create a great habit for all your fishing.
Begin everything with a roll cast - not to feed out line, but to bring everything to the top - simply lift it and build up line speed with the first back-cast, and shoot with the forward stroke.
I've had people ask me if I was fly fishing, and why I wasn't doing "this" - waving their arms in the air
or if you need, one false cast to build up a little more line speed

TS250 at the coast with your distance cannon rod, but T200 with the CGR 7/8
the Marker 60 cut into LHL on a falling tide
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By ben_beyer
#2281223
Ron Mc wrote:
NativeSon wrote:Ron,
You obviously seem to like the Teeny TS sink lines.
Back when I started fly fishing, and my casting was even more primitive than now, I bought a SA full sink line because I was led to believe I needed it for the inshore salt. Trying to pull that bad boy up for a backcast at the time was a pain, and it has been sitting in box gathering dust ever since.
Dumb question, is there a appropriate technique for pulling these lines up from the water for a back cast?
Which Teeny TS would be best for 8 WTs fishing the coast?
All I have ever used are floating lines, and they are a breeze. Although I have picked up a sink tip line or two, those are also unused. There are times that such lines would probably be useful.
Much appreciated.

doing it right will create a great habit for all your fishing.
Begin everything with a roll cast - not to feed out line, but to bring everything to the top - build up line speed with the first back-cast, and shoot with the next.
I've had people ask me if I was fly fishing, and why I wasn't doing "this" - waving their arms in the air

TS250 at the coast with your distance cannon rod, but T200 with the CGR 7/8


More good information and I was about to start looking around at sinking lines for this rod.

I also like the story. Probably a stereotype brought on by 'A River Runs Through It'.
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By Ron Mc
#2281224
ben_beyer wrote:
More good information and I was about to start looking around at sinking lines for this rod.

I also like the story. Probably a stereotype brought on by 'A River Runs Through It'.


The sinking line I would use on the CGR 7/8 is a 7-wt Intermediate (neutral density) - slime line. This has more practical uses in knee to waist deep water.
The heavier sinking lines are pretty much for waist deep with a strong tide current, and more - and great at the jetties.

also guys, with your sinking lines, 4-5' leader and no more than 6' total w/ tippet.
Teeny also sells Great 4' tapered leaders. I nail-knot a short butt section and loop-to-loop a new leader.
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In freshwater, I use a zap-splice, but you can't do that in the salt - drying saltwater will pop the super glue.
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By ben_beyer
#2281232
Ron Mc wrote:
The sinking line I would use on the CGR 7/8 is a 7-wt Intermediate (neutral density) - slime line. This has more practical uses in knee to waist deep water.
The heavier sinking lines are pretty much for waist deep with a strong tide current, and more - and great at the jetties.

also guys, with your sinking lines, 4-5' leader and no more than 6' total w/ tippet.
Teeny also sells Great 4' tapered leaders. I nail-knot a short butt section and loop-to-loop a new leader.

In freshwater, I use a zap-splice, but you can't do that in the salt - drying saltwater will pop the super glue.


The sinking line for me would mostly be river fishing. Where I go in the salt currently is pretty shallow and a fluorocarbon leader is all the sink I need :D
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By Ron Mc
#2281235
T130 won't cast on the CGR 7/8, so it would have to be T200.
you can use a zap splice:
searched out these instructions from an old post on another forum

I use a pin vise and push a quilting needle in from the back and out the front of the fly line.
Use the smallest quilting needle that will fit the small end of your leader.
I start it about 3/4" from the fly line tip, and start the needle into the side of the fly line.

You have to roll the line and pin vise back and forth to keep the needle aligned in the center of the fly line as you're pushing the needle through and out the front of the fly line.
Push it in close to the eye of the needle and then move the pin vise from the eye to the tip side and take up all the exposed needle that has come through the fly line tip. Pull the needle through the tip until just the eye of the needle is at the side entry on the fly line.

Granny knot the very butt of the leader so it won't pull all the way through.
Thread the leader tip through the needle and pull the needle and leader tip through the line.
Work the leader all the way through the line until you bump the granny knot.
Just outside the fly line tip. wet about 1/2" of the leader butt with Zap-a-gap (green-label, gap-filling super glue).
Hemos work great, but grab the knot and leader butt tag and pull the glued butt into the fly line.

Clip the leader butt tag close where it comes out the fly line . Put a drop of zap on the end you just cut.
Grab the line and grab the mid-leader butt and pull the joint moderately hard (you're squeezing all the air out).
You're done except for letting it all dry somewhere.

Good thing about a zap splice, it bottom bounces beautifully and glides over rocks.
Here's a Very Good pin vise, and I can't offhand find less expensive that will do the job, but they're probably out there
https://www.amazon.com/Starrett-162A-Se ... B06Y5SG9LD
ok, here, I found a cheaper one (comes as a pair)
https://www.amazon.com/3-5-Inches-Long- ... ref=sr_1_9

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also for anyone who might have been looking at OOS Teeny lines, Jim has recently restocked most of his lines.
https://imgur.com/5pFOkH9.jpg
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By Ron Mc
#2281379
ben_beyer wrote:I was going through fly lines from SA over the weekend and I wonder how well the Mastery MPX would work on this rod. It has a taper similar to other lines that work well so I might give it a try.

https://www.scientificanglers.com/product/mastery-mpx/
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looks perfect - check their specs to determine head-grain-weight on 7 and 8 lines, to choose between them.
You want to be as close as you can get to 200-gr, where I worked out this rod is most forgiving.

and I just checked - their 7-wt is 200-gr - that's what you want.
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