Wire Leaders...

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:06 pm

I was currious to know how to tie a wire leader onto a lure and onto the line. What knots? Or do you just twist wire. I don't see how that would hold though.

Thanks!
Randall

shawn · Post by **shawn** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:45 pm

crimp it on with a snap swivel

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:54 pm

I'm assuming you run the wire through the eye of the swivel. But what do you crimp it with?

Randall

pitontheprowl · Post by **pitontheprowl** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:30 pm

You use "crimps" They are sleves like these, Academy sells them in smaller quantities.

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/store ... rchResults

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:34 pm

Cool, I didn't know they made crimps small enough for that diameter wire. I'll see if I can find them.
Thanks Guys!

Randall

JimD · Post by **JimD** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:47 am

Have you seen Ruddy Gieger's book. He recomended about a 3 inch piece of wire leader when the jacks were in season. Check page 152 of the book.

He used the small stiff #58 pound, ss piano wire using a simple twist ring. If you want a swivel the put it in the front end before you do the loop twist. There are no crips or other mess on the rig. You can get some ss leader wire at Academy or Cut rate. YOu simple loop the bait with wire leader and do a loop with a twist to secure the end.
Otherwise it will look like what McTrout says about swivels on mirrorlures: ie. like Snot hanging off the end of of your nose. :lol:

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:59 am

I have not seen the book but are you stating to just twist it. Like you would with bailing wire to wire a gate shut? Wouldn't that unravel if you were to get some good pressure on there?

Randall

Mythman · Post by **Mythman** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:37 am

When fishing in the summer and fall (now until Dec.) I use 90-125# plastic coated SS leader wire for the first 12-18 inches, due to catching sharks. My favorite brand is AWF (American Fishing Wire) Surflon and on each package it tells you what size sleeve to use. You can find both at some Academy stores (last time I had to go to 3 of them to find).

You can even use sleeves to hold mono leaders and I have in the past used 0.095 weedeater cord and found aluminum sleeves that work with it.

That may be a little bigger than you want, but I fish btb 99 % of the time.

FTU should have all the sleeves.

yakass · Post by **yakass** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:11 pm

I have made several trips offshore and we used what was called a hay wire twist on the steel leader and I have never had one come undone when fishing. I never had to crimp anything and this could be done very quickly out in the boat I might be able to show you how its done if I can find the book I got it out of.

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:55 pm

That would be great yakass, I love diagrams!!!

Randall

Mitchw123456 · Post by **Mitchw123456** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:01 pm

Using single strand a haywire is definetly the way to go. I've never had one fail. The only time I use single strand anymore is for offshore trolling. Here is a link to it http://georgepoveromo.com/perfectlyhaywire.htm One thing to remember when using single strand is do NOT cut the tag end after you twist (or crimp for that matter) You want to twist the wire until it break, that way it will be dull. If you cut it, it will be as sharp as a needle and will easily go through a finger..

yakass · Post by **yakass** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:33 pm

That would be the twist and it is strong.

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:41 am

well that seems pretty easy, thanks guys. Hey, if I was useing nylon coated wire couldnt I warm it w/ a lighter some to melt the nylon and then let it cool to fuse it together. That may make it even stronger you think?

Randall

Mitchw123456 · Post by **Mitchw123456** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:46 am

I personally wouldn't trust it just held together by glob melted stuff. Also I'm not sure but all of the nylon coated cable is 7 strand which you cannot haywire twist but it can be backbraided very easily.

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:54 am

Hmmm, ok

. What is backbraided?

Thank You,
Randall

Mitchw123456 · Post by **Mitchw123456** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:25 am

you really don't need to use this way if yo uare throwing artificials as you need to stick with a single strand but for good measures here are a few pics I took awhile back

First split the 7 strand into a 3 and 4 strand section

Loop the "3" side back in the the center of of the "Y" where they are split

Now just line up the other piece of cable in the grooves that are already in the cable and just wrap it around the loop

Finished product, this will hold by itself without adding anything. I tested 800# 400# and even some of the tiny stuff and everyone broke in the center of the cable versus at the braid. in other words the cable will pull apart before the braid fails. I do use a little liquid electrical tape sometimes just to make sure it doesn't unwind.

RandallW20 · Post by **RandallW20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:30 am

Cool, Thanks! Thanks for the pics. I learn better w/ pictures. :lol:

Randall